Kicking Rights

Joined: Mar 08, 2007 Posts: 264 Location: UK

I would like to know what members views are when it comes to having access to Clan F/Admin rights. Everyday for people like my self and Scunny who are on the server nearly 24/7 have to put up with people who wish to abuse our server which has an out come of people leaving including my self. As a member of this clan i feel I and all other members should have the option to have Clan F to aid us in keeping the server running at its best.

It is also very frustrating when you are on one side and other admin members are on the other and you have someone abusing the rules in many a cases and these members who have admin rights to kick or ban are flying or in full action and don`t want to alt tab to kick someone.

Also for people like my self and Scunny who, for me anyway (work shifts). play on our server all day when I`m off when there are hardly any Res people with Admin rights on. Many a times I end up leaving due to abusive players, but then i think why should i as i am a member of this clan, but if no one is about to sort these people out nothing gets done the game just gets worse.

I have also been on many times where i have asked members with Admin rights to kick certain players and i get a response of
"You bloody kick um" - Well i would if i had the rights. So yet again we have for 20 minutes or more with someone abusing the rules again.

Mrix I totally understand that this is down to you and the rights of who has access but i feel all res members should have rights because we are all on at different times.

Cheers

OOOOOOOPS

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:29 pm

This is an issue which seems to keep rearing its ugley head!

In some ways I can understand where oooooppps is comin from in respect that if another |2es member is asked to remove a problem player by another member without rights, would that member really know what happened!! and also the repercussions i.e complaints would come back to them.

But at the same time no member wantsto keep comin out of the game to get rid of someone that is causing an inciddent not related to them.

If there is only one member on with admin rights he cannot be expected to keep going out of the game and messing his own game.

There has to be some kind of tolerence and sometime u just gota bite ur lip and get on with it because if u dont then ur constantly gona b in and out like a yo yo!!

But on the other hand if everyone has admin righs then where is your heirachy. Its a tough one and one that only the senior members can decide.

Just thought i would express my opiion!! Very Happy

Cowboy

Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 119

As far as i understand all members get admin rights

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:50 pm

I was under the impression that access to rights was standard and that it is just down to you speaking to mrix and asking him to sort it out. So my advice to you would be speak to him on msn or TS and he will sort you out. Could you please ask Scunny to do the same.

I think there was an issue recently with some admins abusing their rights, so there may have been a time when it was not really talked about so much when we had fresh people join. But as far as I know you should be able to have them. Just use them wisely, thats all, which im sure you will.

Bottom line is just have a word with mrix and he will sort you out mate, no probs.

LT!

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:54 pm

Yeah, its happening alot in BF2142 aswell, where CrazyFoxy, Captreddog, Wolfblade and myself are often on the receiving end. Ill talk with them later and see if we want to share the responsibility for the 2142 server

Joined: Mar 08, 2007 Posts: 264 Location: UK

LtColumbo4 wrote:

I was under the impression that access to rights was standard and that it is just down to you speaking to mrix and asking him to sort it out. So my advice to you would be speak to him on msn or TS and he will sort you out. Could you please ask Scunny to do the same.

I think there was an issue recently with some admins abusing their rights, so there may have been a time when it was not really talked about so much when we had fresh people join. But as far as I know you should be able to have them. Just use them wisely, thats all, which im sure you will.

Bottom line is just have a word with mrix and he will sort you out mate, no probs.

LT!

After a month of joining LT I spoke to Mrix and asked him for these rights because of these problems during the day on the server who said he is not willing to give out rights as easy as that. Apparently you chaps had some issues with members abusing these rights in the past?.

Cowboy I totally understand what your saying about higher authority amongst us but there is another area that gets on my man boobs. When the likes of Geordie and LT are on Players know they have rights and play the game how it should be but when the likes of members like my self who don't have the rights they know when I and others place warnings up nothing will happen so carry on - in a way makes you look like a twat really as your a member who doesn`t have control of the current situation.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:14 pm

agreed there, I saw Captreddog warn someone on the 2142 server and they told him to F off

Joined: Oct 13, 2005 Posts: 731

As someone with server rights, although I don't play BF2 &2142 as often as I used to, I would be more than willing to take a turn at policing the server. I have dual monitors so running clanforge while flying the universe in Eve would not be a problem, and I would be prepared to loiter in the ts channel of the game to take players requests. It would be simple to put the name of the player requesting the kick/ban against the offender so any complaints could be directed back to them.
Something to consider, but I feel some of the more long serving members of the clan should take the lead here.

Joined: Jul 10, 2006 Posts: 491

Hello,

I have done a lot of kicking and banning for people.

I know Mrix is not happy for admins to kick and ban for other admins.

I have also kicked and banned based on the information given to me by public players and by |2es non admin players.

I always find out what the situation is for myself before kicking and banning for anybody else.

I do think that admin and non admin get the situation wrong at times.

I think that there is no difference in integrity between an admin and a non admin.

The only difference is that one will have experience of being an admin.

I have been given guidelines for using admin but not seen anybody encourage the appropriate use of admin until after a situation has arisen.

I do my best to give people the benefit of my experience as a player and admin but I do not see any higher level admins being positive role models.

I know that there are people in the clan who consider themselves senior members but what practical information are people giving in the day to day experiences of members.

Thanks, Mr Slag.

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:36 pm

well i have cf for 2142 but not for bf2 i asked mrix for it and he said he doesent see the point cus i dont play bf2 but i have been playing it an awful lot recently as i am trying to get too my next rank however i have taken mrix's words on board and i am in the process of doubling my time on bf2

cheers
DgO

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:19 pm

in the long .. long ... even longer .. long distant past I used to have a laptop sitting beside me and would be constantly warning and kept an eye on both friendlies and opposition. I got alot of respect for it, but after a while I got bored and went from BF2->Trail Biking!

my opinion is that admin access shouldn't be given out immediately after a member joins, it should be on a selection basis from mrix.

Also I appreciate what you say oops 100%
I too tend to just put music on instead of TS as I cant be bothered listening to people whinging about this and that. (thats why I only noticed you wanted a squad invite when you shouted at me last night Razz

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:01 pm

I agree there should be a period of time between joining and admin status, but we have to watch it closely and appreciate that people like oooops should really have admin access by now.

LT!

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:36 pm

war_slag wrote:

Hello,

I have done a lot of kicking and banning for people.

I know Mrix is not happy for admins to kick and ban for other admins.

I have also kicked and banned based on the information given to me by public players and by |2es non admin players.

I always find out what the situation is for myself before kicking and banning for anybody else.

I do think that admin and non admin get the situation wrong at times.

I think that there is no difference in integrity between an admin and a non admin.

The only difference is that one will have experience of being an admin.

I have been given guidelines for using admin but not seen anybody encourage the appropriate use of admin until after a situation has arisen.

I do my best to give people the benefit of my experience as a player and admin but I do not see any higher level admins being positive role models.

I know that there are people in the clan who consider themselves senior members but what practical information are people giving in the day to day experiences of members.

Thanks, Mr Slag.

apart from being very inflamatory you should try to use "I... " less for starting lines.

As for experience of seniors in the clan and their roles in the clan, every member is encouraged to take it as far as they want. If members want to take things further then there are lots oppertunities to do so.

Further to this, if any member decides that they want to take a back seat (as I have done recently) then thats cool too. Assumnig members who have either been in the clan a long time or have previous admin experience should be expected to actively control the entire clan is just ridiculous.

Joined: Jul 10, 2006 Posts: 491

Hello,

You might think it is "very inflammatory" but I think you are being rude and devisive.

Everyone in the clan is equal and therefore there are no seniors. People are given different admin tools based on their requirements.

I dont think admins with experience should control the whole clan and I didnt say that either. I think people should share the benefit of their wisdom.

As far as starting my sentences with "i" you are insulting me. You should learn to spell and punctuate before giving people lessons in the English language.

Slag.

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:32 pm

>You might think it is "very inflammatory" but I think you are being rude and devisive.
What you said in your original post was not of a progressive/encouraging nature and was aimed implicitly at starting exactly this sort of argument. By either direct actions or suggestion the underlying message was clear that you have a opinion on how the clan should be run.

>Everyone in the clan is equal and therefore there are no seniors. People are given different admin tools based on their requirements.
As I said above, seniors are either people with a good ammount of time in the clan or have previously 'given service' to the clan through either clanmatches or other activities. The 'tools' as you put it, are not given out to everyone as it has been found that admin abuse of regular players on our servers becomes more frequent.

>I dont think admins with experience should control the whole clan and I didnt say that either. I think people should share the benefit of their wisdom.
I can only assume you mean mrix/columbo/TSserveradmins/myself are assumed to 'control' the clan. The only person that has control over the whole clan is mrix, the rest of use help out.

>As far as starting my sentences with "i" you are insulting me. You should learn to spell and punctuate before giving people lessons in the English language.
This point struck me first about your post, as you had double-line spacing between your comments, with most starting with "I...". From this I felt you were taking everything said personally, which wasn't the intent from the original topic post.

As for spelling and punctuation I hardly think you are the best example proper english usage warslag.