Abusive Admin behaviour on BF2 Server

Joined: May 24, 2007 Posts: 15

Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right forum for server issues, but I had a look around and this seems to be the one that fits the best.

I was playing on your server tonight and basically I felt like some of your admins/clan members were way out of line in the way that they were treating me and the other players.

Firstly, I had a run in with Ooooops. I was wounded and needed a medic. Oooops was playing as a medic, so I called for a medic and ran in front of him. He ran by me. I called for a medic again, right next to him so he'd hear the non-radio voice. Again, he ignored me. So I shot at him a few times with my pistol. Admittedly, this isn't a brilliant way to behave, but the way I see it, neither is playing medic and ignoring wounded team mates, and this way at least either it'll get his attention or he'll whip out a medkit to heal himself and I can stand in the heal radius. Win win, right? So he heals me, and then he teamkills me.

I was a bit surprised at this, as I was fairly sure that TKing is bannable on the |2es server. Seeing a tag wearing player acting like this is a little confusing. Then, without me saying anything, he had a bit of a go at me about shooting him. I thought he was a bit rude, but I figured I'd explain why I shot him and I didn't mean to TK. He continued to be quite rude and aggressive, and I have to admit I got a bit rude in return.

This back and forth continued for a little while, and whiel I tried to remain at least fairly civil, your players didn't seem too bothered and frequently talked down to me and made it basically clear that they didn't care that they were breaking the rules. At the same time there seemed to be some problems with geordieste TKing for the chopper, and threatening to ban another player for doing the same. Here are the rest of the screens I have that demonstrate the sort of attitude that your players were exhibiting.

I admit that I am not faultless in this. And I'm not too upset about getting called names or sworn at. This is, after all, the internet. What bugs me is the attitude displayed by your players toward behaving to the same standards as us pubbies are expected to. It's disappointing, because I play on your server regularly and it's generally a decently adminned place to play. I was even considering joining the clan myself. My main concern is that this should be dealt with in a way that keeps the |2es server one that is worth playing on. This seems especially timely given that Oooops has a thread up asking for admin powers, which, given this episode personally seems like maybe not such a great idea.

Thanks for your time

Joined: Mar 08, 2007 Posts: 254 Location: UK

Sempo,

1 - You needed a meddy pack so you felt it was ok to TK me for one.
2 - You asked me a second time for a Meddy pack and shot me

I then asked for Our admin to kick you for this. Unlucky for me tonight no one had clan forge which allowed you to stay on. My reaction for this was to get my own back and TK you and respond to your foul mouth by saying what i said - which I hold my hands up to and shouldn`t of lowered my self to your level.

Tonight we have a Commander Hacker on and a VERY large amount of TKing for helis, tanks etc the server wasn`t controlled at all and this is something that Mrix should ceratinly look into.

Like all people who moan and post do the great thing of NOT posting any of the abuse that comes out of there mouths, just like you have done, trying to make us Res members look like the mugs again.

I think other res members will back me up here but you insulted the whole of are clan and abused us this is where all of this started from. I for one won`t take any crap from noone more so from some jumped up little player who tries to bring the server down.

The whole thing starts off with your self thinking it is ok to TK someone just because they don`t hear your request for a meddy pack.

Sempmo , let me also tell you that I do not wish to have Admin rights It wouldn`t bother me if I had them or not. What I am concerned and interested in is making this clan the best it can be and getting rid of players like your self who give us members bad names by posting only one side of the situation

Oh and by the way we use a thing called Team Speak and when you have 6 people talking to you to hear some one shout Medic with also the added arty going on and in full battle, is not that easy.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:04 am

its seems too me that this is 6 and two 3's u both did things u maybe should not have done but i am sorry that crying for a medic and them ignoring u maybe u find another one??? or keep trying i also h8 it when medics run by u but if opps was running to bring someone back to life u wernt the main priority u also called ooops a dushbag which inturn would have got him pissed off and as sometimes peoplecanget cought up within the heat of the moment
but u should not have shot opps

opps didnt realy help matters by killing you but at the same at the same token if he did well dont start an arguement just come on here with evidence that doesnot incriminate ur self lol

goerdie didnt help matters eitheri supossed but hey i am sure someone will sort this mess up

cheers
DgO

Joined: May 24, 2007 Posts: 15

OOOOOOOOOPS wrote:

Sempo,

1 - You needed a meddy pack so you felt it was ok to TK me for one.
2 - You asked me a second time for a Meddy pack and shot me

I didn't TK you. I shot at you a few times, with the pistol, no less to either get your attention or have you pull out a medkit so I could heal at the same time. Given that you started first with the name calling, calling me a mug, which is about as offensive as calling you a douche, and then quickly going up to calling me a "prick" and geordie chiming in with "gay boy", I think it's a bit much to say that I was the only one escalating the situation, or that you were perfectly calm and reasonable until I shot off my mouth. What it comes down to, for me, is that you TKed me with minimal provocation, no verbal warning, nothing. Especially since I didn't TK you, I think I probably hit you once, possibly twice with the pistol. Given the context, I'd expect that's deserving of a warning at the very worst. The issue I have is that as an admin or tag-wearing player or whatever, you shouldn't be breaking rules that the rest of us get kicked for just because they happen to suddenly become undesirable for you. And I certainly don't think it's appropriate for you to start name calling and being abusive when you get called out for breaking the rules.

Joined: Mar 08, 2007 Posts: 254 Location: UK

Like I said in the post above. We haven't seen your abuse or tking or screen shots. All we have is you posting shots of my self and Geordie. I`m not prepare to have a mailing slagging war with you about tking when you are just as bad with it and the abuse. I`ve got alot more better things to be doing with my life than moaning about people on a computer game.

From the start you have come on here trying to portray us RES members as the bad ones here in this situation. When it comes to Admin rights Sempmo I don`t think I really want them because day after day I see what those with the rights have to put up wih stupid little posts and players just like your self who moan and moan because they have been hard done by.

Like I said I really couldn`t give a toss about your comments as they are all a pack of lies and you don`t even deserve to even play this game. It is people like your self who turn people away from games like this because of your childest acts.

As for you thinking of joining this clan, well if you did i think RES would lose a few members because of it.

I was only told by another memeber tonight that while you were tking me for a meddy pack you were in his sqaud and TK`d a further 2 players while in it. Doesn`t say alot for your skills does it.

Good luck with your future Meddy pack killing.

Ooooops

Oh and just to add a bit more - I do believe we were on the MEC side so yet again makes it very hard to understand " i need a medic" when its not even in English.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:35 am

Regardless, the comments by you and geordie were out of hand and not what having admin rights should be about. Sure, he was stupid to shoot at you oops cause you might have been low on health, but he didnt, and he didnt do it with malicious intention - thats clear. So the comments are way out of hand, and pretty childish.

If you have admin rights, or even just represent the clan that owns the server, it should be your duty to try to sort things out and shake hands rather than abuse...

Joined: Mar 08, 2007 Posts: 254 Location: UK

Nitro,

I`m not gong to "sort" matters out with someone who TKs for meddy packs and is abussive to me. I did the correct thing of asking for the player to be kicked for 24hrs but if 6 people who are on dont have access to clan forge what am I spose to do - this is a issue which has been meantion in another post. If the player was kick ASAP we wouldn`t be here now having a mailing war. He would of been kicked for 24hrs end of story.You are also only seeing the story from what has been bought to you and not what actually happened.

Yes I don`t accept my attacks of mouth and was totally out of order which I have held my hands up to but what you see here isn`t the full picture.

Community Founder Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 2627

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Regardless, the comments by you and geordie were out of hand and not what having admin rights

110% totally agree, we as mature |2es members have no need at all to set this example and its very dissapointing to see it!
this is breaking the |2es- community rules and action will be taken!
maybe from this topic members might start to understand why clanforge should not be given out to everyone!

Cheers
|2es-mrix

Joined: Mar 14, 2006 Posts: 231

No winners in this situation, thats for sure.

Sempmo, please continue to use our server. However you must realise that if you TK & use abusive language towards our members, such as insults or swearing at us, you will under normal cirumstances be kicked or banned.

I have to disagree with you in some situations mrix about the use/allocation of clanforge, and will set up a seperate post in the res area to discuss.

I apologise for the members who you felt abused you and we take these kind of complaints very seriously. I am certain that Mrix will discuss with oooooops and geordie to point out how they could have handled this better.

I enjoy playing with members of the public who make genuine contributions to team play and enjoyment on the server. I sincerely hope you will be one of these in the future on the Res server.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:59 pm

Im also a bit concerned by goonpigs statement on pic 4 that a |2es member was TKing for a chopper...

Joined: Sep 19, 2006 Posts: 421 Location: KERB CRAWLING

Right Sempro I knew fine well you would do this as all you want to achieve is to cause as much trouble as you can! Well I hope your happy now that you've lowered yourself into the gutter even more!

I also have to agree with OOOPs as you are only seeing one side of the story and not the constant abuse Sempro started throughout the games.As for TK'N for the chopper that is complete bollocks sempro as any player who plays on our server will 100% agree with me that I don't do it! The other thing is you can't come on here and accuse all of us for being abusive as all you did all night was TK yourself!

Just go and get a life cos you obviously haven't got one!

Joined: May 24, 2007 Posts: 15

I just want to say thanks to Nitro, Smurf and Mrix for taking the time to reply to my posts in a fair way. Just to clarify my position slightly, I'm aware that TWing and generally being a bit sweary aren't exactly the best behaviour when playing BF2, but at the same time I think I've made it clear what the situation was and that I'm not what I would consider a disruptive or abusive player.

I'm not sure if this is petty of me or not, but reading over the replies from Oops and Geordie I feel compelled to point out that, contrary to your assumptions, I came here to resolve the issue. Like I've said, i enjoy playing on the Res server (64 players, low ping, decent maps, generally well adminned, what's not to love?), but the reasons why I enjoy it are largely based upon how well adminned it is. It worried me to see two Res players acting in a way that to me seemed in appropriate, because when you have admins that are exempt from the rules they give to the rest of the server, it degrades the quality of play for everyone. I came on here afterwards, having logged out of the game and given myself a chance to chill out a little and take stock, looking to reach some kind of consensus. The fact that you (Oops and Geordie) still feel as though it's some how appropriate to respond to me in the aggressive and accusatory way that you are is rather disappointing. I honestly don't recall TKing anyone that night, aside from much later on as a result of a mishap with a jet and a helicopter. If you'd care to enlighten me to the rough circumstances around the issue, I'd be glad to discuss the issue. The notion, though, that all I did on the server was teamkill is patently untrue and you know it. For a start I would have be autokicked for having a low score. And if I was being disruptive, surely you would have taken screens?

I honestly regret that I didn't manage to get most of my messages in the screens I took because I do feel bad at how one-sided this has come out. I didn't mean for this to appear as a stich up, but at the end of the day, I was pretty much torn between the situation with Oops and actually trying to play the game. And yeah, I'm not very good at the game.

I'm sorry that my attempts to sort this out have resulted in such bad blood. If there's any way we can work this out then let me know, I'd rather not leave the situation as entrenched as it was at the beginning.

Joined: Mar 08, 2007 Posts: 254 Location: UK

From the sounds of this Sempmo it seems as though your twisting the lies back on your self know to get you out of this issue.

My self I`m not prepare to have anything to do with you off or on the server.

1 - for trying to stitch RES members up
2 - Lieing.

Look forward to seeing you on our server. Happy Gaming.

Joined: May 24, 2007 Posts: 15

Exactly what have I lied about? I've acknowledged that there's a bit of bias in my screenshots. I've stated that it's not my intent to create a stitch-up here... exactly what am I lying about? What have I said that is untrue?

I think it's really a shame that you're so unwilling to try to smooth this all out. I can't really understand why this is such a big issue for you

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:46 pm

ok guys can we just stop the argueing sempro mrix has said he will deal with it belive me he will and opps and geordie stop excalating the situation by replying cus then when mrix talks to u u can say ur side of the story!!

just wondering if we can lock this topic be4 this gets out of hand

cheers
DgO