Kinect No Longer Mandatory for Xbox

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Kinect No Longer Mandatory for Xbox

Post by l2es-roguesamurai » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:30 pm

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-wont-actuall ... 1113142909

The latest U turn for the Xbone. I have no preference of any console as I wont be getting any of them. But I can't help being interested in whats going on with the new crop of consoles. Especially the amount of U turns done by MS over the Xbox. There's not much left to change anymore.
Because of these changes I can see MS winning the console war again. But if I were to buy one for the kids, I'd def go with the PS4.
Some more Xbone news -

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-can-tel ... 1122442616
(usefull feature I gotta admit)

Also after hearing that the PS4 will be more powerfull, they've increased the GPU power.
http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-just-impro ... 1000017197



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Post by l2es-GrIm » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:43 pm

sorry but your wrong rogue from what i am reading most xbox fans are running for the chopper that is playstation there sick of the u turns a lot of the fanbase was split down the middle some liked the new features some didnt the ones who didnt were more vocal and so the uturns began thus alienating the ones who thought xbox had good ideas (lets call them misguided ones) besides when a company uturns on there console so much it is a wonder... if the uturning 3 months away from release.. how stable is that console gonna be i mean the os alone being rejigged to change the features must create bugs then theres the hardware element as well...

all in all i would rather go for playstation as they have barely uturned and everyone at work who has an xbox 360 has said the moving to the ps4 thats 20 people... ALL OF THEM are ditching...

also i read somewhere that people who are on 360 wont be able to even im there friends who are on the bone... and vice versa

all in all microsoft is i think suffering from alot of bad publicity and this is turning alot of people away even if they try to save face by changing the features... they then seem weak and will bow to the slightest whine from a 6 year old... sometimes a company saying no we think this is good ... sometimes its a good thing... even if there wrong if they had stuck by there guns alot of people might of forgot about the crappy features but them changing them one by one keeps pulling them over the coals
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Post by l2es-roguesamurai » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:38 pm

I see your point Grim, but I still think the Bone will outsell the PS4. You overestimate the memory span of the average consumer. Most will have completely forgotten or glossed over these things by release date. Many people will stick with the devil they know and get the Xbox.

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Post by l2es-roguesamurai » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:48 pm

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia ... rkets.html

Launch in some markets now delayed until 2014. That'll be due to the almost complete redesign then :)

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Post by l2es-MooK » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:21 pm

Current figures up to date for this year put PS4 as outselling xbone 3 to 1. You can only uturn and throw crap at people so many times before it effects you.

Also interestingly both sony and microsoft are combining their sales numbers of the current and last gen consoles. And if you take away the xbox 360 and ps3 sales then the ps4 has outsold the xbone 6 to 1 last quarter haha.

By the end of last generation it was a stalemate with 50 million sales for both consoles give or take a little and that was with the ps3 being overpriced at the start and xbox being released nearly a year before the ps3 . this time microsoft dont have any advantage and they are not going to be winning on the quality of their exclusive games that's for sure.
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Post by l2es-mrix » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:29 pm

Many people will stick with the devil they know and get the Xbox.
I think your true there Rogue, I think the biggest market for consoles is the kids and as time goes by, these kids with be having their Birthday presents, Christmas presents and all these kids using the XBOX 360`s will opt for a new XBONE.
I think its a very slow process to see who wins the console wars, I suspect no one will outright , at the moment the XBOX 360 still has a huge following and is still very popular, my son Garon plays the xbox360 a lot for one main reason, all his friends are playing it. There is just too much life left in the 360 at the moment for a huge amount of its fans to make the transition to the xbone, also there is another stage / point when the prices drop on these consoles making it far more affordable to the masses, all a very slow process.
He recently has asked me to get him an XBONE for Christmas.
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Post by l2es-GrIm » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:28 am

ok somethings to keep in mind here

1/ xmas is coming so i reckon we need to wait till Q2 next year to get Q1's results even though both consoles came out before last xmas this is gonna be the first proper xmas where games specificly designed for the next gen will be coming out the last year we have had games on both ps3 and 4 and xbox 360 and bone and people will stick with what they got if they can

2/ developers will take the ps4's results and develop for the ps4 many developers have said this they now AT THE MOMENT the ps4 is outstripping the xbone wheather this is tempory or permanent remains to be scene but you can guarentee the longer this happens the more developers will want to get games on the ps4 and thus sony could lock these games into exclusivity deals ala uncharted and little big planet if you dont belive that developers care about console sales YOUR DEAD WRONG look at the wii u's sales then look at 3rd party developed games for it.... its a short list...

the wii u is in a catch twenty 2 situation
no ones buying the console cus theres no games coming out for it and games arnt getting made for it because no one is buying it

not saying this is true of the bone but xbox needs a good xmas this year or they will be screwed...

3/ people are not buying consoles en masse any more many people are turning to mobile games and even back to the pc but taking the pc to the living room ala steam box

4/ xbox really screwed themselves last year... and i mean so much it would of made a good porno

between the bad announcment of the bone and all the uturns ok... forget them for a second the biggest thing they did was screw the early adopters.... why? well they announced a console and said konnect will be sold with the console no ifs buts or maybes and slapped an extra 80 dollars or so on the console for it the early adopters bought it ALOT of people bought it only for microsoft to turn around and say,... ok well were now lowering the price and unbundleing the connect.... i know a few people who got the bone on day one and were so pissed they sold the xbone at a loss and picked up a ps4

you dont do that you need the early adopters to spread the message to tell people how good that device is you piss them off you lose that free publicity i think fundamentally this is what is killing the xbox one in a huge way when you screw some of your fanbase any one who might of got that console will be wondering well... if i get that console how you gonna screw me

5/ i never thought i would defend the xbone but here goes MOOK look at the stats of where the ps4 is released to where the xbone is the ps4 is available pretty much world wide where as the xbone is only out in something like 32 countries... given that the ps4 is bound to be owning the xbone in world wide sales
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Post by l2es-roguesamurai » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:13 pm

I've read a couple of articles recently about console and pc sales.
Kotaku (or whatever its called) recently did a new review of the WiiU and said that it's now a console worth buying. Took long enough. But I also read that at one stage recently the WiiU was actually outselling the Xbone, which is a big surprise. This can pretty much be put down to the release of MarioKart and the other new Mario game.
Pc sales are increasing again. Gaming pc's and especially gaming hardware have been consistently doing well for some time. Good news for us.
Rogue jnr is getting a ps4 this weekend so I'll be able to judge it myself soon.
Tablet sales are dropping off, which is no surprise to me as i find them chronically shit to use. Such a pain and of minimal use.
Will be interesting to see how steam console does. Don't have a lot of hope for it though. But people aren't happy with Windows lately. Could linux become the gamers choice os? I doubt it though.

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Post by l2es-GrIm » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:29 am

fundamentally linux is better then mac and windows combined as linux is used in pretty much everything linux is actually used to opperate missles for many armys the one reason its not used for office pc's etc. is its for the most part open source meaning you can do what ever the f you want with it where as mac and windows have limitations
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Post by l2es-roguesamurai » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:49 pm

It would be both good and bad for the pc world for Linux to take off and become a competitor for Windows.
Firstly it would give MS the kick up the arse they deserve and start paying more attention to desktop and performance users instead of us being an after thought tagged onto the end.
But on the downside it could fragment developer support even further. Game developers already have to cater for Xbone, Xbox 360, PS4, PS3, Windows pc, to a lesser extent WiiU. Linux would be yet another drain. If the pc market was to become split in half between Windows and Linux many developers would simply abandon the pc.
Can't see it happening though, the general public have never heard of Linux and it would take some serious marketing to convert them. As Linux is open source this aint gonna happen.
Windows 9 is due next year, and so is DX12. DX12 will work on both Windows and Xbone (to an extent) which will make life much easier for developers developing for both.
Pitty they didn't make the consoles a bit more powerfull, to start pushing development even more. We've seen some dodgey possible dumbing down of a pc title with WatchDogs. Many believe it was to make the consoles look better. If people see PC games looking better than their brand new next gen console it makes them look less impressive.
Debatable whether this was actually the case, but also very believable.

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Post by |2es-Cyrus_The_Virus » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:24 am

Well, I just got myself a PS4 and I love it so far.

Had an Xbone but returned it. Most of the Xbone games are coming to PC so why bother? :)
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Post by l2es-roguesamurai » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:05 pm

|2es-Cyrus_The_Virus wrote:Well, I just got myself a PS4 and I love it so far.

Had an Xbone but returned it. Most of the Xbone games are coming to PC so why bother? :)
Don't tell MS that, they'll make them all exclusives

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